Table of contents
- Guidelines for making bee syrup
- The origin of the sugar syrup ratios
- Every plant’s nectar is different
- Averages can be deceiving
- Significant digits in bee syrup measurements
- Don’t bother inverting the sugar
- Inversion: honey bees just do it
- Cooked syrup and hydroxymethylfurfural
- Organic bee syrup is high in ash
- The problem with cold syrup
- “But bees can’t eat dry sugar”
- Sugar or trash? What bees think
- Don’t change, just be reasonable
- Worrisome thoughts, just for a second
After fielding beekeeper questions for eleven years, I have a decent idea of what confuses beginners. When it comes to puzzlement, nothing beats the perils of sugar syrup. Questions such as “How do I make sugar syrup?” outnumber “How do I control varroa mites?” about 2:1. And there it is, one of syrup’s revered ratios, along with 1:1, 3:2, and 5:3.
Before I begin to dismantle the concept of sugar syrup ratios, let me say there is nothing wrong with them. From a management point of view, they are just fine. Beekeepers have been using standard ratios of sugar to water since sugar was cheap enough to feed bees.
Most beekeepers have fed sugar at some point in their careers. Some do it regularly, some do it only when needed. That’s fine. I do not intend to examine the moral implication of feeding syrup to honey bees.
Guidelines for making bee syrup
The best thing about these ratios is the guidance they provide to beekeepers. A light syrup in spring enhances brood rearing as would an early nectar flow. A heavier syrup in autumn is easier for bees to process because less water needs to be removed. Conceptually, these guidelines work well and have enhanced the lives of countless colonies.
However, based on questions I’ve read, it’s obvious that new beekeepers do not understand the role sugar syrup plays in colony management. Nor do they understand how precise the measurements must be to properly care for bees.
For example, a woman recently explained how she meticulously measured the ingredients for 1:1 syrup, but before she finished, her husband swept spilled sugar from the table and dumped it in the pot, “completely ruining the entire batch!” She wanted to know if I could calculate a fix, estimating he added an entire teaspoon to the gallon of syrup.
I can only imagine the firestorm this created and hope she didn’t deploy the rolling pin on husband number whatever. But this is a typical question, along with others about reading the meniscus, sufficient stirring, using sugar beyond its pull date, chlorine in city water, and allowing syrup to sit on the counter overnight. The complexity arising from the simple act of mixing sugar into water is astounding.
Worse, the first question that usually follows these I-screwed-it-up stories, is “Will it kill my bees?” Now I’m the perplexed one. How, exactly, do they think it might kill them?
The origin of the sugar syrup ratios
I have no clue who first suggested the now-familiar sugar syrup ratios or when. Whoever did was on to something because the ratios are easy to remember and work well. But any recommendation to feed bee syrup at a specific ratio of sugar to water is a guideline, a rule of thumb, an estimation, and whoever suggested the idea was a human, not a bee. The notion of a specific sugar concentration is foreign to bees simply because it’s foreign to plants.
Every plant’s nectar is different
All nectar-producing plants have their own recipe, a genetically-driven range of sweetness. Some nectars are low in sugar, such as that produced by pear flowers. Others are high in sugar, such as the nectar from certain blackberries. Most are somewhere in between, but I doubt any are exactly 1:1, 3:2, or 2:1.
Furthermore, the amount of sugar in the nectar of each species can vary with environmental conditions. It may change from morning to evening, in overcast weather vs sunny, on hot days vs cool ones. Add to that windy days vs still ones, sun vs shade, and humid vs dry. Soil type can make a difference, too, as can soil fertility. Nectar concentration can even vary among the blooms on one plant. There is no immutable ratio of sugar to water in nectar, so why do we think sugar syrup must have a precise percentage of sugar?
The honey bees did not provide the specifications for syrup, and they don’t carry mini hydrometers to test its specific gravity. While the bees are ingesting infinite concentrations of sugar to water, we are home micromanaging their syrup, measuring and stirring and tweaking, hoping to arrive at some magical ratio that the bees don’t give a rip about. If they could roll their large compound eyes, they would.
Averages can be deceiving
Recommendations based on averages always remind me of the government. If you look at U.S. census statistics, you will find that in 1960, the typical American family (whatever that is) had 2.33 children. In 2019, the average family had 1.93 children. Now, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never met even one family with either 2.33 or 1.93 children.
The same goes for sugar syrup. Even though we swear by 1:1 or 2:1 syrup, and we go to great lengths to make accurate measurements, there’s likely not a flower in the world that produces an equivalent nectar. If natural nectar ranges from four to seventy percent sugar, how can tossing in that extra teaspoon (or cup or pound) make any difference to the bees?
Even though the guidelines are handy and work well, we must realize that they are not edicts etched in stone. Variations in measurement will not make any difference and will not affect bee health. You are not going to kill your bees with a concentration that is a little more or a little less than the guidelines suggest — or even a lot more or less.
Significant digits in bee syrup measurements
The last time I wrote about sugar syrup, I explained that you can measure your ingredients by either weight or volume. Yes, the results are slightly different. But in this application, where you’re trying to replicate a moving target, you can only approximate the composition of nectar, no matter how carefully you measure.
Since 1 cup of refined sugar = 200 grams = 7.05 ounces = a little less than 0.5 pound, and 1 cup of water = 236 grams = 8.3 ounces = a little more than 0.5 pound, you can measure by weight or volume or a little of both.
Someone responded explaining how dangerously wrong I was. And to prove it, he had taken his wife’s measuring spoons and kitchen scale and recorded everything to prove how vastly different weight and volume can be. He sent his calculations, all extended to seven decimal points, just to prove how mistaken I was.
Not only did this demonstrate a lack of knowledge about nectar and bee biology, it also highlighted a problem with significant digits. By claiming 7 decimal points worth of precision from a measuring spoon that could probably give him one, he was producing meaningless strings of numbers and completely missing the point.
Don’t bother inverting the sugar
Another popular misconception involves inversion. Many beekeepers think they must invert table sugar to make it digestible to bees, or to make it more acidic so the pH closely resembles that of honey. Neither is necessary.
Let’s back up a moment and look at table sugar. Table sugar is sucrose, a disaccharide made from a molecule of glucose and a molecule of fructose. These two molecules, both of which are simple sugars, are bound weakly together. Chemicals can be used to split the molecules apart, something frequently done by bakers who are trying to achieve certain properties in their products, such as moisture retention.
Invertase, an enzyme produced by yeast, is the baker’s chemical of choice for this job. The name describes its action: it inverts the disaccharide back into its component parts by splitting the bonds between the glucose and fructose molecules. You can also split the bonds with acid, which is what beekeepers try to do with vinegar, lemon juice, or cream of tartar (tartaric acid).
Inversion: honey bees just do it
In truth, nearly all nectar contains much sucrose accompanied by an assortment of simple sugars, including glucose, fructose, maltose, and others. But when you analyze honey, it’s mostly glucose and fructose. In other words, the sucrose the bees collected was split into simple sugars during the honey-making process.
How did that happen? Well, it turns out that bakers aren’t the only ones with a cache of invertase. Honey bees have their own supply, right in their salivary glands. When the bees scarf down nectar and hold it in their crops, invertase is already at work, breaking down the sucrose into the simple sugars glucose and fructose. The acidity in honey is produced by several other bee-produced enzymes including glucose oxidase, which forms gluconic acid during the breakdown of glucose.
When bees eat sucrose in the form of sugar syrup, the same thing happens. The bees automatically add the enzymes that invert and acidify the syrup, so there’s no reason to do it for them. “Don’t worry,” they say, “we’ve got this!”
Cooked syrup and hydroxymethylfurfural
Hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF) is a naturally occurring organic acid formed during the dehydration of sugars, especially fructose. Under laboratory conditions, HMF has proved toxic to honey bees.
Elevated levels of fructose increase the probability of HMF formation, so something like high-fructose corn syrup is known for lots of HMF. But other things, such as the inversion of sugar syrup by acids, also increase HMF by increasing the amount of fructose in the syrup. Heating syrup or honey also increases HMF, as does aging.
So how much of a problem does it cause? The numbers vary, but it seems to be a minor problem, possibly shortening the lifespans of some colony members. Cooking syrups to make fondant or hard candy is an age-old beekeeping practice that continues to this day, so the effects are not catastrophic. Still, when combined with other factors like pesticides, parasites, or pathogens, a little extra colony loss may not be desirable.
Fortunately, for those who want to avoid excess HMF, no-cook candy boards or dry feeding of granulated sugar circumvent the problem. Highly concentrated syrups, even 2:1 are harder to make without hot water, but the less heat you use, the less HMF you will create. Leaving out the acid helps too.
Organic bee syrup is high in ash
A surprising number of new beekeepers are eager to feed organic sugar to their bees to give them the best possible diet. Unfortunately, organic sugar has a much higher ash content than regular refined sugar, and a high-ash diet in winter can increase the chances of honey bee dysentery. Apparently, the ash can capture and hold extra water in the gut, which is the ultimate problem.
The higher ash content gives organic sugar a light tan color, which you can clearly see. The extra ash is due to the way organic sugar is processed. Typical refining methods use chemicals that are not allowed by organic standards, so the entire process was reimagined in order to produce what is generally called “evaporated cane juice” rather than refined sugar. The amount of ash varies by manufacturer, but when I researched one popular brand, I found it contained 2.15 percent ash compared to 0.07 percent in non-organic refined sugar, over thirty times as much.
The problem with cold syrup
Another common sugar syrup question is “Why have my bees stopped drinking their syrup?” or worse “How can I make my bees drink their syrup?” The adage “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” applies here. You can’t force bees to drink syrup, you can only gently suggest.
If it’s autumn when the bees stop drinking, the syrup is probably too cold. I can’t name an exact temperature when bees stop drinking syrup, but it’s somewhere around 50 F. If bees drink syrup that’s overly chilled, they go into torpor, a state of lowered metabolic activity brought on by a drop in body temperature. Once they become stiff, slow, and barely able to move, they may fail to rejoin the cluster.
For bees that work together to maintain a minimum nest temperature, this can be dangerous to the entire colony. So rather than drink the cold syrup, they just ignore it. Syrup can be kept a bit warmer by using an internal feeder above the cluster. In that configuration, warm air from the colony rises and keeps the syrup warmer. Three-season feeders work on this principle and can be used later in the fall than external feeders. In areas with cold winters, syrup should be replaced with fondant or sugar cakes during the coldest months.
“But bees can’t eat dry sugar”
As anyone who feeds sugar bricks, candy boards, or granulated sugar can attest, winter bees can thrive on granulated or hard-as-rock sugar cakes. However, the surface of dry feed needs to be moistened before the bees can consume it.
To be effective, dry feed needs to be placed above the cluster so that moisture-laden warm air can condense on the surface and dissolve it. This happens naturally due to convective currents in the hive. Moisture from bee respiration rises along with the warm air and condenses on the hard sugar, forming a thin, sticky film that the bees lap up from the surface. As the outer layer is consumed, more moist air dissolves the next layer, and so on, until the bees eat the whole thing.
Dry sugar in the wrong place, such as on the bottom board, will usually fail as a food source because it’s cold down there. Bees will move into areas that are relatively warm, and the warmest place outside of the cluster is directly above the cluster. No matter how hungry they get, bees will not move down into a colder part of the hive to get food if it means risking torpor.
Sugar or trash? What bees think
Many beekeepers insist their bees don’t like granulated sugar and, instead of eating it, they take it outside like trash. Indeed, if granulated sugar is fed in warm weather when bees are out flying, they will do precisely that. If it’s warm enough to fly, it’s warm enough to break cluster and clean house. Once the cluster has dissipated, there is no longer a steady supply of rising moisture to wet the granules, so out they go.
Listen to what your bees are saying. Dry sugar feeding is a wintertime thing, not a spring or a fall thing. If you remember that, your bees won’t haul it away.
Don’t change, just be reasonable
I’m not proposing you abandon time-honored recipes for syrup or trusted guidelines for feeding. Of course not. I’m only suggesting they are meant for your convenience, not your undoing. Lighten up and realize no bee is going to complain about your quality control or lack thereof. Spend less time worrying about exact measurements and precise recipes, and spend more time thinking about how the bees will access the feed, how cold it will get, and how edible it will be.
No bee is going to reject a source of food because it’s not made to certain specifications. Well, not usually. Honey bees are known to reject the four percent nectar (1:25) that leaks from pear blossoms, even though other species, like mason bees, seem to like it. Because they have such a high need for sugar, honey bees generally select the sweetest nectar they can find that’s conveniently located, available in a big patch, and coming from a flower that suits their tongue length. You rarely see them checking the nutrition label for sugar concentration.
Worrisome thoughts, just for a second
I was nearly finished writing this article when a horrifying thought crossed my mind. What if American Bee Journal insists on precise measurements of sugar and water, say four decimal places, or worse? Worried that I might offend the powers that be, I riffled through virtual pages of the ABJ website, looking for a hint.
Then I found it. Buried in the FAQs section are directions for making 1:1 syrup: “Half fill your container with sugar and add water to completely fill the container.” Perfect! Another reason to love ABJ.
Rusty
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Love it! Overthinking is a common issue with beekeeping. My girls don’t seem to care at all if their syrup has been in the refrigerator for a week and brought back to room temperature before serving. I’ve even taken leftover sugar cakes and dissolved them into water/sugar syrup so they don’t go to waste. Again, no one has complained and everyone has been very receptive. 🙂
Brilliant. Thank you!
Worth noting that while bees might not be uber picky about ratios, hummingbirds and other syrup eating birds are; a 4 water:1 sugar closely mimics nectar without doing damage to bird kidneys.
So why would you put a syrup feeder where other animals could get to it? The syrup belongs in the hive where the hummingbirds won’t go.
I am seeing your response over a year later, sorry for the delay. Let me clarify. Some people will mix up syrup for their bees using an any old sugar: water ratio which is OK for bees, but not hummers. So, they make up the syrup, they have too much and then they say, well, instead of wasting it, I am just going to put the extra in the hummingbird feeder. Bad idea. If you mix up the syrup for the hummers in the correct ratio and have too much and think, instead of wasting it I am going to put it in the syrup feeder for the bees (and put that in the hive) this is not a problem. I hope that made more sense.
Sharon,
Yes, absolutely! It does make sense.
Smart people are really stupid when it comes to some things. My mother used to say that experience beats book learning.
Bees don’t write books. But people read all of these books and just don’t connect. We are not talking about putting spark plug #7 wire on #4. It isn’t that kind of a thing. Whether you give them 2-1, 1-2, 1-1, or whatever it isn’t going to kill them.
Great article, as always Rusty. I wish new beekeepers would spend more energy understanding mite management, rather than making feeding a more complicated affair than it is.
Thanks, Rusty; are you sure you’re not related to Bob Newhart?
Thank you Rusty. As many questions as bees . Thanks for keeping it clear.
I’ve been told to never feed bees beet sugar. Only cane sugar. Your thoughts! Thanks
Jim,
Beet sugar and cane sugar are chemically identical. However, the people who don’t like GMO products prefer cane sugar because it’s not genetically modified, at least not yet. Beet sugar usually is GMO, but not always. Personally, I’ve used beet sugar for my bees for more than 20 years and will continue.
I always make sugar syrup in the fall and in the late winter. I have a half box that I place on top and put the feeder in there to keep it at a temperature that makes it warm for them to use.
Last year I tried to use “winter pro” bee feed. I purchased the 50 lb tub. I was hoping to open the hive less and have the confidence of knowing that they would be well fed when I was absent for short periods of time.
To my dismay, my two hives would rather starve to death than eat this product. At the end of January, I noticed massive amounts of bees dead on the bottom board. I opened the hive to see the honey stores gone and the massive amount of Winter-Pro still in the area close to the cluster untouched.
When I was able to address the food problem, my hives were too weak to survive the remaining winter. I lost both.
In speaking with another beekeeper friend who also tried it had the same result, lost all of his hives.
I will go back to sugar water and leave more honey in storage in the future.
Harold,
That is really sad, and I agree with you. Plain old sugar always works, the fancy additions sometimes don’t.
Then there’s the variability of grain size distribution and the imprecision of your typical strain gage kitchen scale. I’m thinking there’s probably a lot more important things to occupy your beekeeping brain besides nectar ratios.
I just fill a quart jar half full of sugar and finish filling it with hot water from the tap. I have even used a 2 liter bottle the same way. Haven’t killed my bees yet!
Good for you! I love it when beekeepers keep things simple.
Rusty –
Thanks for this article. It made me laugh and think about my father’s advice about arguing with people more stubborn than I am (he didn’t say stubborn….) – they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
I learned a similar lesson when working as a restaurant server. When a customer requested a “pat” of butter and then complained that it was not enough… After that, I thought it best to take them more than enough. A “pat” to me may be a 1/4 cup stick to someone else.
Wonderful article, Rusty. I rarely read one that doesn’t leave me with a smile (and a revelation). Thanks. Alan.
My feeding got much easier when I just use water from my hose for 1:1 and hot tap water for 2:1. Works great. Bees take it all.
Although I try to get close to a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio, I don’t very often. My girls don’t care. One thing that I have noted with them is this. After they finish off the syrup that I have placed in the outside feeders, once it rains and fills them back up (I use medium-sized dog bowls full of rocks and sticks for outside feeding), the bees are back on that water taking it up, and that liquid definitely is not any of the “defined” ratios. I think they are just liking the sugar water and that’s it. So I don’t get terribly worried about exact amounts. (Too much ADD to care).
Fantastic article, Rusty! I love your no-nonsense approach.
Thank you, Carolyn!
I am in my 3rd year. The first year I agonized over, well, everything. My syrup Had To Be Perfect. In my second year, I tried harder to be more realistic. What worked, what didn’t. Learn and adjust. Now in my 3rd year, I fill the jar halfway with sugar and then the rest with water.
Truthfully the moral of the story is bees have more problems to worry about. Our exact or not exact measurements of syrup are not going to kill them.
Thanks for another great article.
Susan
NW Georgia
For the woman who wanted to know how to “fix” the syrup after her husband swept up the leavings: since he added an estimated 1 tsp of sugar, she should add an estimated 1 tsp of water to restore her perfect ratio. Or not! as you carefully explain, again and again.
Now, the fellow who reported calculating all the measuring utensils in the kitchen out to 7 digits of precision deserves to be beaned with a rolling pin. As we say in our household, the guy is probably a physicist, definitely not an engineer.
WOW, you nailed it girl.
OMG. Thank you!. So many new beeks ask these type questions and I give the same answer as you in short. Now I have a reference to give them, except it’s so long I doubt they will read it, otherwise wouldn’t they have read about this and figured it out already? Maybe you have to be an engineer for a while like me and finally realize that all these hard ratios and formulas of perfection have imperfection at their root, they are guidelines themselves for getting us to results that work. There’s a little fudge factor in life itself? or actually more likely in our brains for thinking that there was some magic perfect formula at all… that perfection is actually possible… You should have told her to make sure to measure out and add 100 extra grains of sugar for the teaspoon with tweezers, maybe that would have got her over the hump?
I have 3 different sizes of a teaspoon ??? Nightmare for me. I’ve tried them all and each time the feeder empties. LOL. Brilliantly written piece again thanks Rusty. Steve. 40 years of feeding syrup by the guestimate method and whatever fits in the pan.
I have a new hive, live in the UK first-time bee owner.
Now the autumn and it’s been a bad summer, very wet I’ve been feeding the bees sugar water do I feed them until they stop taking it, or just when it gets cold? The temperature drops seem to be taking what I’m giving him at the moment.
Tim,
How much stored food do they have? If they have plenty, you can stop feeding at any time. If they are short, you may need to feed them hard sugar for the winter.
I appreciate your wisdom, here. A request. At least half of my beekeeping community are women who just want to do right by their bees, and like many, try to adhere strictly to guidelines as their best effort to support them.
Maybe you could back off the “overwrought wife” trope a bit, and avoid conveying your meaning at the expense of women who just worry about getting it right? Just because we care, doesn’t make us harpies.
Thanks for supporting ALL members of the beekeeping community!
Gretchen,
So would you rather I fake the sex of these people or just not share their stories? Where does truth fall in your life view?
Cringe
I felt the same way and almost stopped reading an otherwise very well written article.
And yet, there you are, a woman criticizing a woman, but I’m not allowed to do the same.
I just read the “Significant Digits” paragraph to my husband. He laughed loudly and told me to write and say he appreciates and approves of your stance. He’s a Ph.D. biochemist who complains loudly when he bakes about measurements. (“I can eyeball a gram, what the hell is a teaspoon???”)
Let’s face it–sometimes close IS good enough!
Thanks for your wisdom and efforts over time.
Marian,
If I can make someone laugh, then it’s all worth it.
Thank you for article. I’m a new keeper and thought I’d read the article to find out how wrong I’ve been mixing the sugar and water. Turns out I am doing it OK. I “eyeball” a half jar of sugar and then fill it with cold water and shake for a while then wait for the air bubbles to rise and it clears.
I’ve been keeping bees for more years than most of you have been alive. If you want to lose bees, feed them sugar, sugar water, or a combination of a sugar-based product. Sugar is ok in the spring when they need to build new comb. But to over-winter bees, it does not have enough nutrients to keep your bees alive. I know, I used it for several years and had massive losses. You need winter patties, not pollen patties. Pollen patties are ok in the spring when your queens are ramping up to start laying. Pollen is ok if there is a drought and there is no pollen being produced in your area. But not ok in the wintertime.
What are you on about? Bees only eat 4 things. Total. That’s it. Water, nectar, propolis and pollen. DO NOT give them anything anyone would ever call “WINTER PATTIES”. You can’t give them anything but these 4 basic constituents. In fact, you’re doubly wrong, the ONLY thing you should supplement your bees with in winter, is precisely sugar, the exact opposite of what you said. Anything more could give them dysentery because they’re not allowed to go out and poop for many months. With sugar they can just take only what they need to burn for energy, without creating any byproduct-poop. You’re going to kill everyone’s bees with that wrong advice!
Here you say “Bees only eat 4 things. Total. That’s it. Water, nectar, propolis and pollen.” Then, in your next post, you say “I put a full cup of olive oil in my 10 lb bag of sugar winter cake mix.”
So what gives?
It’s mid-March here in Ontario. Bees are flying during the day. But still below freezing at night. Can I feed them sugar cakes as a supplement for low spring feed?
Thanks, Sandy.
Sandy,
It’s mid-March here in Washington, too. Warm days and cold nights are typical at this time of year and honey bees can handle them with no problem. And yes, sugar cakes make a fine supplement if your bees are low on honey.
Hmm, “Half fill your container with sugar and add water to completely fill the container.” Perfect! Another reason to love ABJ.
Why not, “Half fill your container with water and add sugar to completely fill the container.”
Rusty,
We are in a serious drought here in the Northeast (MA). This spring and early summer I was pulling capped deep frames from honey bound colonies. Now most of the hives are bone dry. Thankfully what I have pulled for honey I have yet to extract and can return to the hives but will absolutely have to feed syrup as well.
My question is this: Is there an approximate ratio for a syrup that is equal to properly cured natural honey? 4:1, 10:1? I ask because I’d like to check the math on the cost of honey vs fed syrup. The truth is I may have to select which colonies get fed honey and/or syrup and which get culled. My hope is the cost of the syrup is less then buying new bees in the spring.
Jess,
Cured honey is about 80% sugar and 20% water, which is 4:1.
Never, ever, ever ‘cull’ your bees. In fact, it might even be against your state law. What you can do if you want to, is ‘combine’ hives. Now, if they’re not really big, the queens may duke it out to the death, so it would be best for you to list the spare queens on ebay and try to sell them.
Never say never. Colonies of bees must be destroyed if they are carrying diseases like American foulbrood.
I don’t think ‘cull’ means the same as ‘destroy’.
Perhaps. Maybe they will write back and clarify. Thanks.
I think ‘cull’ means cut them out of the herd (and use up if you like for anything but breeding) but if we’re gonna argue about words, let me go get some popcorn. : )
Hi Rusty,
I’m making 2:1 syrup for my bees using a pure cane sugar (it is unrefined and non-GMO, but NOT organic). The syrup is light tan in color. Is this okay? I made and fed this same syrup last fall, and the hives overwintered just fine. The bees are taking it and filling frames. I do not add any ACV, but I do add some spearmint and lemongrass essential oils for gut health.
Please let me know your thoughts, and thanks for your time!
Angie
Angie,
If the sugar is light tan it probably has more ash content than refined sugar. It’s like a little bit of molasses is still in there. But the question is how bad is it for your bees? That’s not easy to answer because it will depend on your particular climate and on how much of their food supply is unrefined sugar and how much is honey. If the bees get out for a cleaning flight now and then, it’s not much of an issue. Likewise, if most of their food supply is honey, it’s probably okay.
Since your bees were fine with it last year, they probably will be this year, too. Especially if the weather conditions are similar. If it were me, I would not make bee syrup with unrefined sugar, but if I already made it, I wouldn’t fret about it too much. I try to be philosophical about these things because none of us can do it all perfectly every time. And, too, every colony is different.
This continues to be a useful/helpful article. Thank you. I was googleing up the idea to cook my syrup with ACV to invert the sucrose. I’m deciding not to.
“Husband number whatever” was the best part, even if it doesn’t help my bees. Thanks for that too.
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In winter, does anyone feed their bees back their own honey, after extraction, so not in frames, say in paper plates, on top of frames? I prefer to have just one box to winter bees, they don’t have to move up & down. I have fed, candy boards, Apipasta fondant with luck. Just curious, Cheers to 2023.
Flossy,
Sure, many people feed extracted honey back to bees, but you need to make sure they don’t drown or get stuck in it. You can use a jar feeder if you have room, or an internal feeder frame, or a hive-top feeder that is designed to prevent drowning.
Rusty, I enjoyed this syrup related article very much and continue to learn more about the beekeeping craft from your many articles, which I’ve been reading since taking up the hobby in 2015, keep up the great “remote tutoring” please!
Bill,
Thank you! And thank you for reading, too.
Revisiting this old post to subscribe to comments. Enjoyed your writing, though I’ve read it all before. I’m surprised some of your readers and/or commenters can’t find better things to worry about.
: )
I’ve read several times that bees move honey around in the hive. If that’s true how would one know they haven’t moved the funny honey they made from sugar syrup they were fed in the spring up into the honey supers that are going to be extracted?
Thanks
Dave,
There’s a lot of controversy about whether bees move honey around or not. I don’t believe they do. However, it can appear like they do. For example, when they want to make more space near the brood nest, they use up that honey first. Then they place new honey in-coming elsewhere, so it looks like the honey was moved.
I’ve tried tracking honey but I have never seen it move. You can try it, too. Next time you’re feeding syrup, dye it a deep shade of blue or green with food coloring. You will easily see where it’s stored, but you will never see that color moved around. I’ve tried dozens of times.
A belated two questions, Rusty.
1. As a fellow I-5 corridor beekeeper, approximately when in the fall do you quit feeding syrup?
2. ‘Some people’ say don’t feed old syrup that has sat out for a month. Worried about alcoholic dysentery. (As a 15 year old junior counselor in an overnight camp in Wisconsin, we discovered that the local coffee house we visited on our nights off had fermented apple cider in their 5 gallon cider bottle!) Your thoughts? (on the bees, not on the 15 year olds.)
Well, Daniel, the 15-year-olds are probably more interesting, but I will try to answer.
I stop feeding syrup around the end of September. After that, nights can be cold and syrup has a fairly high heat capacity, so it doesn’t warm up easily the next day. Sometimes I take out the syrup and add a sugar brick, although I find bees don’t go for the sugar brick until their honey supply is gone.
Your second question reminds me of the issues surrounding pull dates and the people who toss things on the “best buy date.” I like to think of myself as logical but perhaps I’m just tight-fisted. Anyway, I don’t assign dates to syrup. Instead, I look at it, smell it, and perhaps taste it. Bees in the wild will collect fermenting honey or syrup, and I suppose some make it home and some don’t, but those who drink it in their own hive probably just sleep it off.
That said, I will remove syrup that is obviously fermented or harboring clouds of fluffy white mold. But sometimes, even if it’s old, if it passes the sniff/taste test, I just leave it there. I’ve never lost a colony that way, at least that I know of. From my own observations, the alcohol content needs to be obvious before the bees show signs of dysentery. Wasps are famous for craving (and thriving on) fermented fruit juice, and I think bees and wasps are not very different.
Thanks for your thoughts. I’ll make today my last syrup feed.
And, I love your common sense. Earlier today I stuck my finger into my ‘expired’ syrup, and all I tasted was sugar. So into the hives it went!
Hi Rusty,
Any thoughts on the idea of adding bleach to sugar syrup, so it doesn’t get moldy?
Dave,
Lots of people do it. Alternatively, you can just use chlorinated tap water if you’re connected to a city system. Bleach in water tends to degrade after about 24 hours and lose effectiveness. Some of the chlorine evaporates and some combines with stuff in the water, so I don’t bother with it. I think it’s best to use smaller batches of syrup and give the bees a fresh supply after a few days.
I put a full cup of olive oil in my 10lb bag of sugar winter cake mix just to try to ‘fatten them (the bees) up’ for winter and to keep the sugar-cakes from freezing solid rock hard. One hive (my largest) started flying out into negative -20 degree weather (-50 during the ‘polar vortex’) to take poops i suppose (or maybe it was the drops of essential oils made them think there was a spring nectar flow) & instantly dieing. It was absolutely amazing how exact their flight paths were. I had long string of dead bees atop feet of snow going out many meters. Uncanny how they flew THE EXACT same flight path, you could have laid out a string taut 40′ long and they all would have been on it. Anyways i digress, the hive died during the vortex, half the cluster up on the inner cover eating, the other half in the bottom box, and thousands of stragglers all throughout the frames. Not sure if it was cuz they loved it so much and had to poop and couldn’t resist the urge, or if it simply split their cluster up or what. Anyhow, the other hive (my tiniest, maybe 2 frames of bees in a 10-frame deep with many empty frames i could never get them to fill in fall) survived and they are still eating the remnants after the cold-snap. Not sure if they avoided it before the vortex. What are your thoughts on mixing in fat-content for nectar or sugar-cakes? Most of the commercial patty products seemed to list a fat content somewhere around 1-2 or 3%, so i figured it was safe & thought i would up it to like 10%+ and see what happens. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to feed bees just straight cups of corn oil or sticks of butter. I think i’ll throw a stick of butter on next winter and see what happens. Maybe a few strips of cooked bacon. I’ve head that some people even mix in dried eggs for protein (which are also high in fat & cholesterol).